I assume you are talking about David Barrass' "Things Spiritual" which can be found in the dq-rules Files section, in the Cathedral folder: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dq-rules/files/Cathedral/ Rodger --- In dq-rules@yahoogroups.com, "davis john" <jrd123@h...> wrote: > I vaguely remember someone stattting up cherubs, seraphs etc at one point, > any know where these files are?